The Shroud Of Turin (christian relic or hoax?)

For all those who don't know what the shroud of turin is, in basic terms it is a linen cloth with the relief of a male, alot of people belief that this male is Jesus and that is the funerary shroud that wrapped him (by now I'm sure you have deduced that a shroud is basically a piece of cloth they used to wrap the dead in ancient times)....in the same church in utrin they actually have alot of other cool artifacts like that but thats another thread....

okie check out this link for a bit more extended knowlede --> GOLOCAL

And then tell me do you think it is a relic or a hoax?

I think it could be possible, i mean it wouldn't change anything, would it? It's just when people get all abstract and talk about the shroud shuld have some magical powers like the arc of the covenant since Jesus' blood would be on it if it were a relic....i simply don't know but I would lead more to the relic side if I hadn't heard the whole other abstract argument...

i think its just a hoax. I think they got some specialist team to look at the shroud at one point and they discovered brush markings on the cloth. mmmm...

well actually 2 teams have examined it none found brush strokes though 1 was hoping to as they were real skeptics

I had seen an inconclusive documentary once, in which carbon dating, was employed to determine the true age of the fabric. The uncertainty still lies, since it had been proven that there was a raging fire which chared the wooden box that the shroud was in (it was hidden in that particular church then). Hence the smoke from the flames hindered an accurarte reading to be done. (relect on the concept behind half-life, and radiation decay)

Personally, I'm leaning towards accepting the possibility that this is someone's face, once you pencil in the factor of facial perspiration (with a half life of 28 years).
Either way, its not as if we were trying to find the holy grail, the present location of Noah's ark, or the garden of eden.

i think they know the location of noah's ark.

I've seen some speculation on the histoy. I've also seen something once on both the Dicovery Chanell & National Geogrphic, but it was inconclusive in my opinion. What did you get from it exactly?

same question i ask too snyper

Some russian pilots flew over a mountain and saw a huge boat like structure. At the base of said mountain, lies a town whose name translates to 'this is where noah lies' or sumting like that...my RE teacher gave us some notes on it once...

you can try this site....ark sightings have been plentiful... http://www.icr.org/article/68/

niqui wrote:Some russian pilots flew over a mountain and saw a huge boat like structure.

You, and I both basically saw the same thing then. I've found the URL you posted, rather interesting.

Really is there really proof of that ?

jr wrote:Really is there really proof of that ?

We are discussing it here, so no need for such a question.

everything is really hear say. no hard evidence has been discovered. But to have so many witnesses, from diff. backgrounds, countries, languages, all saying the same thing, well i think that has some credibility right there.

Its relatively easy to 'prove' that the image is that of a human face, but to pin this on christ...

Does anyone have any other evidence as to what he actually looks like?

well its all speculation about it being christ from passed down stories of previus owners of the shroud but first of all what they are trying to get past is if it is even from thetime of jesus and it is an authentic funerary shroud that once rapped a body whether christ's or someone elses

niqui wrote:Some russian pilots flew over a mountain and saw a huge boat like structure.

Are these the images you were refering to?






Taken from this page:
http://www.space.com/news/060309_ark_update.html

ahhh hmm this is pretty interesting, off topic but still interesting...i think what you guys should have done is created a thread on this, but its okay you can leave it but if you want to go ahead and create the thread, I think you would get more replies on this if you did